How HB2 and TGU BENEFITTED UNC Basketball

UNC Basketball
BobLee
March31/ 2017

How HB2 and “The Greatest Scandal EVER” BENEFITTED UNC Basketball’s Current Success. 

Despite his bellyachin’ and incessant whining would HoFer Roy Williams and UNCCH be in back-to-back Final Fours WITHOUT HB2 a/k/a “The Bathroom Bill”; and/or without TGU / “The Great Unpleasantness” – a/k/a The Greatest College Athletic / Academic Flim Flam in Recorded History? I say NO they likely would not be.

Feel free to exercise your right to a dissenting opinion; but don’t expect to change mine.

Of the two notorious signature elements – HB2 and TGU – certainly TGU has had a far greater impact on UNC Athletics especially UNC Mens’ Basketball. There are “youngsters” in the 3rd grade today who have never known a world without the embarrassing cloud of scandal seemingly permanently settled o’er fabled Franklin Street and its once pristine image of institutional purity. SPLATT!

It would not be incorrect to say that HB2 has had ZIP ZERO NADA effect on college basketball within the State of North Carolina despite both Mike Krzyzewski and Roy Williams being used as gullible pawns by the gender terrorists and rabid activists within their respective institutions to speak out against “keeping rest rooms and locker rooms gender specific”. If either high-profile coach was truly sincere in his public comments he could graphically demonstrate that sincerity by having his wife, daughter(s) and granddaughters “shower with the team”. If Mike or Roy have no problem with gender neutral toilet and dressing facilities on a personal level, they can castigate the rest of the state’s citizenry for their overtly puritan morality. …. That’s never going to happen so so much for their “celebrity politicking” from their bully pulpits.

NOTE:  There is absolutely nothing in any version of HB2 (original or revised) that prohibits any athletic events in NC.  Those decisions were made arbitrarily by The ACC and NCAA and NBA.  NOT by the NC General Assembly.  Not that “facts” should ever get in the way of an economic extortion plot.

Mike Krzyzewski has had no problem whatsoever recruiting 5-star players to Duke since HB2 became “an issue” two years ago. Since Roy recruits the same players as Duke (and Kentucky and Kansas) one must assume Roy’s inability to sign top-ranked “one & dones” in recent years is due to another factor ….. ergo “The Greatest Scandal etc etc etc ……”.

It is reasonable to assume that Roy’s inability to guarantee UNC will not eventually be penalized for “the greatest academic/athletic flim flam in NCAA history” at some point HAS affected top-rated recruits’ decisions.

They only intend to attend classes for one semester wherever they go before leaving for the NBA. If UNCCH is banned from The NCAA Tournament for that season they miss an opportunity on the national stage to enhance their lottery value. So why choose UNCCH when Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and assorted other schools with traditionally strong MBB programs don’t bear that burden.

In addition to Jason Tatum, highly-rated freshman Harry Giles is also leaving Duke despite being limited by injuries to sporadic playing time. Giles might join UNCCH’s Marvin Williams as a one&done who never started a college game. Only Kentucky has had more “one&dones” the past 5-6 years than has Duke.

Back in the 70-80s, every “top recruit” would be recruited by UNC, UCLA, Indiana and Kentucky. Each would get their share each year. Duke joined that pantheon in the late 80s as UCLA and Indiana have waned. Lately Roy keeps getting left at the altar by the Top Twenty…. but, by golly, here is Roy back in The Final Four. How can he do dat?

No big secret. For all his well-known Tourette’s Syndrome “foot-in-mouth” disease; Roy has adapted to recruiting “very good players” – but not Top Twenty – who develop within his program to exceptional team players as upperclassmen. And, in the process, become familiar to UNC fans with some sort of mutual “old school” bond twixt athlete and fan base.

NOTE:  AND… from all outward appearances, the recent UNC BB rosters have been noticeably devoid of THUGS and thuggish behavior!   I would hope most UNC fans appreciate that fact.

Change two plays at the end of last Sunday’s game and Calipari’s current one&dones defeat Roy’s upperclassmen. Would that validate one strategy over the other? Both Kansas and Duke – with their one&done heavy rosters – had already been defeated by Oregon and USC’s upperclassmen.Brandan Wright

Do you know the last “one&done” at UNCCH? Brandan Wright in 2007. TEN YEARS AGO! I’m not even sure I spelled his name correctly. Who cares?

Yes, there is a sicko faction of UNC Board Monkeys who (1) despise John Calipari; yet (2) want Roy to run the same sort of one&done Kentucky program at UNCCH. I have “issues” with the average UNCCH fan for assorted reasons; but I have to believe the vast majority prefer Roy’s current TGU-mandated strategy of recruiting highly-talented “projects” who intend to be around long enough that fans learn to spell their names and remember them 6-8-10-15 years later.

How many “old school” UNC fans can still name the starters from 1957 and 1982? A LOT of’em. OK, many still misspell Hansbrough / Hansborough but they cheer him when he returns to The Dean Dome. Who are “the legends” at Duke? Laettner, Hill, Hurley, Bilas, Redick …. Not the ever-growing quickly forgotten number of one&dones.

I do not take back any of the criticisms I have written about Roy and his “stoopid blurts”. But I do applaud how he has adapted his team-building system to fit the circumstances of the times.  Whether it was intended or otherwise, he deserves the credit.

Incidentally I was accused off-line this week of “hating Roy” and “having a grudge” against him ??? I always appreciate when a column draws a “passionate response”. Yeeee HA!  FWIW… it came from “an Old Weller of lengthy tooth”.

Oops! I’m out of time. I wanted to discuss the death threats that Kentucky fans made this week to the referee of Sunday’s game. I do not believe it is always some mouth-breathing gap-toothed evolutionary throwback that does this crap. I’ll discuss that later.

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BobLee
  • Former96Heel Reply
    3 weeks ago

    Just a thought to ponder, what would the NBA and college landscape look like if the NBA still allowed direct to the pros entry for HS seniors?
    I’m guessing there would still be a contingent of one/done, and coaches who focus on that player as a development ground for NBA player, but it would at least take the top 5-10 kids out of the college student-athlete charade.

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      You’re describing the way MLB works with high school kids / college kids. A LOT of fans have suggested the NBA adopt a similar plan for BB. Once you commit to college you are non-draftable for three years… but you CAN sign right out of HS.

  • @CarolineduRosso Reply
    3 weeks ago

    If I had my way (and I’m only trying to help) there would be NO freshman eligibility for varsity sports. Incoming freshmen, as a condition of their free athletic scholarship, would be barred from playing a professional sport, regardless of their academic status, UNTIL their class graduates. The NBA, NFL etc. would be required to honor this provision otherwise be banned from access (as well as other sanctions that may be appropriate). If a player went around this rule and played in, let’s say Italy, said player would contractually obligated to reimburse ALL monies and associated costs of his/her scholarship.
    This is by no means a comprehensive list of needed reforms, but I think it’s a good start.

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      You do realize that all versions of such changes have absolutely no chance of being realized. Yesterday 77,000 people paid exorbitant $$$ to be in the Phoenix Stadium where 50,000 of them could not read the #s on the jerseys… and millions more watched on TV.
      .
      NOTHING the NCAA or conferences or their “broadcast partners” have done in the past 10 years has been based on any principle other than maximizing their mutual income revenues.

    • Doug Reply
      3 weeks ago

      We can’t even ban undocumented aliens from entering our borders. How can we ban or deny access to people from seeking jobs including pro sports jobs? :=>

  • Robert Kennel Reply
    3 weeks ago

    BL, have been missing you. Hope the eyeball and Cardinal’s rebirth go well with you.
    Spent last night and most of today with former Pack football players. Was amazed at how many read you and asked that I keep “jousting” with you. Had seen NCSU68’s comments herein and figured it would take several tribal councils for the code breaking.
    Discussions with Doeren and Yow who are feeling good about football. Met new Coach KK who appears quite real. Results will have to come, but he strongly appears a keeper. Tuesday we’re doing a dramatic reading of MLKJr’s “Beyond Vietnam” speech from 50 years ago. It’s at the Bell Tower and still prophetic. Come down at 11:30 am and have a listen.
    Check paper Sunday morning to see if my last letter on “Hubris Trifecta” from earlier in the week is printed. It would upset some of your fans😎🤓

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      Cardinals’ resigning of Yadi is, thankfully, a done deal. Tomorrow the 162 game marathon begins anew.
      .
      Your hopes for KK sound vaguely familiar to your early expectations for Gott. Hope Springs Eternal as it should. I see where a Roy Boy – McGrath – is taking the vacated UNC-W gig. Only met him briefly some years ago. A nice, polite fellow as I recall.
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      Very few, if any, of “my fans” read the local newspaper. Apparently fewer and fewer of your ilk continue to. You will be preaching to your own choir. I actually saw a copy of the N&O last week in a local diner. Good Lord BK, our Kinston High School newspaper was much bigger than that journalistic embarrassment.
      ,
      The N&O is losing size and weight faster than Marie Osmond on Nutri-System. I’m sure they welcome your raging epistles. Content they don’t have to pay for.
      .
      You know what a HUGE fan I am not of Girls’ BB… but when I saw that the UConn-ettes were beaten I thought it was an April Fool joke. The State of South Carolina has reigning Baseball and Football Nat Champs and now both MBB and WBB in the Final Four. Thats not sitting well with “the other Carolina” snob crowd.

      • PPG.76 Reply
        3 weeks ago

        “The N&O is losing size and weight faster than Marie Osmond on Nutri-System” – KABOOM! No more calls …. we have our winner.

  • Floyd.R.Turbo Reply
    3 weeks ago

    SUPPOSE just for grins, that TGU was finally resolved and there are no penalties for UNC BB… will Roy give up building with upperclassmen and go for all the one&dones he can get?

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      My guess is he would go back to chasing all the one&dones just like Duke and UK and KU.

      • Former96heel Reply
        3 weeks ago

        But what major would they be then for that precious 5 months in class?
        Independent studies with Deb and Jan doesn’t exist now.
        Social justice warriorship with Chancellor Chihuahua?

        • BobLee Reply
          3 weeks ago

          The same sort of “easy courses” that one&dones take at Duke, State, UK, KU et al. Every school has a certain number of glorified GED courses that do not lead to any degree but can fill a schedule for a couple of semesters.

    • Doug Reply
      3 weeks ago

      Roy is building with upperclassmen because the one-and-done’s are going elsewhere. So he really has no other choice at the moment. Every bb coach in America would sign those players too.

      • BobLee Reply
        3 weeks ago

        You’re saying every coach would aggressively recruit one&dones? I disagree. Any veteran coach/recruiter can detect a one&done mindset within 10 minutes of meeting a kid. You take them knowing they are one/done. I believe many coaches don’t pursue them because they upset the chemistry of a team. Maybe I’m wrong…

        • Doug Reply
          3 weeks ago

          Every was a little strong. No, I’m saying most coaches in America would sign one and done talent if only to fend off the rabid bat fans if they declined to do it. Only a few “elite” coaches and programs can afford to be that selective and walk away from some of the AAU handlers that accompanies some kids. In any case it’s all hypothetical since these kids seem to gravitate time and time again to the usual suspects. Why is that? To my knowledge no one has followed or investigated the true day to day life cycle – from day 1 all the way through to draft day of the one and done MBB player. Probably aren’t allowed because these programs don’t want and can’t afford the truth and the PR baggage. How much fun and column fodder would that be? As much fun a Mrs. K’s brothel? Classic.😎

          • BobLee
            3 weeks ago

            “Ms Micki’s House of Erotic Delights…. operated out of the Hope Valley CC Tennis Pro Shop.” 🙂
            .
            Semi-literate 17 y/os with NBA dreams are easily influenced creatures of habit. They automatically gravitate to Duke, UK, KU, UNC (normally) because others have done so and thats all they know. Calipari can assure them of a starting spot because he has 3-4 every year guaranteed. Duke is getting that way very quickly. Those programs have rabid fan bases and madhouse arenas where they will be dunking gods for 3-4 months before adiosing.

  • Mayberry Jim Reply
    3 weeks ago

    So BL, what happens if the NCAA still doesn’t schedule tournaments in NC? Whose fault will it be then?

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      That’s too easy. Liberals are never accountable for anything so the “fault” will either be Donald Trump… Pat McCrory… oe ME.
      .
      Whose “fault” was it the first time? Montana and Wyoming never get any NCAA events and they are both pretty cool states. The economic impct of those Field Hockey regionals will have to be offset by yard sales and door-to-door sales of Christmas wrapping paper. Those work for band uniforms don’t they?

    • NCSU68Grad Reply
      3 weeks ago

      Despite this being April 1, I really WONDER if Johnnie Boy Swoff had already got an “Under the Counter” approval from the NCAA? If he did NOT, then it IS time for his untimely (or maybe long overdue) RETIREMENT.

      It would be idiotic (and when has that stopped folks) to have allowed any changes in HB2/HB142 that PC Emmett of Indiana fame would NOT approve. NOTE, for the record, Indiana has a Religious Freedom regulation that most states would covet….but most of the ACLU and Atheist Groups would quickly shot down. Would be interesting to see Rev BB take off on that rant…

      Saw several UNC Fans (Cut the Nets….Down with HB2 T Shirts) last night in the car rental plaza in Vegas. Cheaper to fly in Vegas and drive 250 Miles and come back and “do things that will STAY in Vegas” that to make the trip to AZ. I did say to one of them….”Today, all State Fans are Oregon Fans” and they laughed.

      • BobLee Reply
        3 weeks ago

        I’m sure the NCGA will cower to the power of snowflakes in t-shirts.
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        Both the NCAA and ACC have proven themselves to be corrupt self-serving bureaucracies. Swofford’s successor whenever will be of the same ilk.

  • Doug Reply
    3 weeks ago

    “If either high-profile coach was truly sincere in his public comments he could graphically demonstrate that sincerity by having his wife, daughter(s) and granddaughters “shower with the team.” Think about it. Do you know of a single reporter who would ever put your proposition in question form to either K or R. I have yet to hear of a single media member express a contrary view point from that of the LGBT playbook. Even in this current environment I still find the media one sidedness and silence odd. Proponents of HB2 have been sold out by their so-called allies by the repeal for a few extra football and basketball games and they know it. Opponents have been blackmailed into compromise by the hypocrites at the NCAA and NBA. Anyone referencing gaining extra contests for non-revenue sports is flat out a fool. This mess is far from over.

    Win or lose Roy Williams has done a nice job with his team for the past couple of years.

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      The gender terrorists will not stop until they have totally undermined The American Way of Life … or SOMEONE stands up and says “Thats Enough!”. This was NEVER about Transgenders having a safe place to pee.
      .
      The regional sports media is either McClatchy goons or Jim Goodmon’s gang from WRAL. They are both totally in cahoots with the gender terrorists.

  • JD Reply
    3 weeks ago

    “the recent UNC BB rosters have been noticeably devoid of THUGS and thuggish behavior!” I do appreciate that fact. Can’t say the same about the Fedorians.

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      You are not the only ones with those two opinions. Larry would probably counter that FB requires a more aggressive (“violent”) personality.

  • Former96Heel Reply
    3 weeks ago

    The thought of Mayor Roberts in the Ladies shower will haunt me, and every woman in your audience. Mayor Pat is going to be scratching his head forever wondering how he got voted out of the gov mansion in 2016. As a Charlotte area resident, can Bob Kennel please ask Rev Barber to have the CIAA boycott Charlotte? I would hate to see the over-exaggerated estimates on economic benefit that circus brings every year.
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    Only you could draw that accurate conclusion. Without TGU, there is no Luke Maye on the floor, maybe not on the team at all. Absolutely not on scholarship. Most likely on the JV team, and in the stands waiting for the 3rd or 4th year walk-on slot.
    Years ago, I went to a Rams Club thing, the rubber chicken circuit, where Roy babbled about never again recruiting a 7′ one and done prospect ever again. I forgot who he lost out on. Maybe it was Wright just having left that had him in a foul mood. I didn’t believe one word. Major coaches would take Kim Jung Un’s son if he was 7′ or was a 5 star can’t miss prospect. (come to think of it Kim’s son would get a Morehead at CH, but you get the point)
    I think it was the next year, he landed Marvin Williams. I guess he only qualified his take based on height.

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      I recall the flim flam when Charlotte “WON” The CIAA. Be careful what you wish for. Having been in the economic impact scam business for ten years, it NEVER fails to fool the easily fooled.

  • Steve Stacy Reply
    3 weeks ago

    All I am sure about TGU is that UNC has proven that the 4 corners is alive and well. And they still play it flawlessly.

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      Even Phil Ford would be hard-pressed to dribble around for eight yeas …. 🙂

  • Jack.P Reply
    3 weeks ago

    Didn’t Roy refuse to recruit John Wall because he knew he was a one&done?

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      I don’t follow recruiting crap that much, but I think it was a combination of him being an obvious one&done PLUS he had an AAU “Handler” that Roy refused to deal with. I recall UNC board monkeys being QUITE upset with Roy about that.

  • Joanne.H,in.Greenville Reply
    3 weeks ago

    If I had a nickel …. for every time over the past ten+ years I’ve said “Only BobLee would come up with THAT …..” Your HB2 Shower Proposal is Pure Gold and could be expanded to include Roy Cooper’s wife and every other prominent liberal publicly supporting HB2 …. including ACC Commissioner “Little Johnny” Swofford.

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      I have proposed it to several “left-leaning” acquaintances. You’d be surprised how quickly they change the subject. Makes total sense to me. I can see UNC Chancellor Chihuahua volunteering for it, can’t you? Imagine THAT visual!

      • Henry Temple Reply
        3 weeks ago

        HB2 was an bogus law because you can’t enforce it and there is no penalty for violating it.
        The law that prevents perverted males from showering with your daughter/ wife/ mother is the “indecent exposure” statutes which do not require a birth certificate to enforce and have real penalties for violation.

        • BobLee Reply
          3 weeks ago

          HB2 was definitely an overreach and a kneejerk response to a OMG issue. The Charlotte Ordinance that started the whole mess was unconstitutional in that it imposed penalties on other NC municipalities who did not initiate similar ordinances. There are/were No Heroes on any side of this mess. The “gender terrorists” achieved their objective of creating chaos across the state; but they failed to overthrow the NCGA although it did take down McCrory.

  • Earl.H Reply
    3 weeks ago

    Micki Krzyzewski and Wanda Williams showering with a bunch of nekkid basketball players !!! OH ME… OH MY!

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      I left out the part where WRAL’s Jim Goodmon sends his #1 dumpster-diver Laura Leslie and a film crew over to film it. I can see ESPN getting quite excited about it too.

  • NCSU68Grad Reply
    3 weeks ago

    BL,
    Totally, I think, agree. HB2 was nothing more than a temper tantrum by the “IQ Challenged” Charlotte City Council. All the Hoopla from the NCGA did was make it a front page issue….not page 10.
    Charlotte urinated in their own punch bowl….assuming that is distasteful to most folks. HB2 marginalized the OTHER, in force “anti-discrimination” regulations in such vestiges of CH, GSO, Durham (Bang-Bang), Asheville (no explanation needed), etc. SO, then all the Code Reds and Pinks and the “Alphabet Gang” (LBGTQX and most decidedly affiliated with Google) united to tar and feather NC. Their own little enclaves of free expression and anti-discrimination disappeared. Sort of like the guys that are using the Broken ATM machine OCCASIONALLY, and then up comes the truck and the greedy (Charlotte) guy(gal/it) starts to fill the garbage cans. BINGO, the bank figures it out. The machine is SHUT DOWN. End of fun and games.

    THAT is my opinion….others might share of differ.

    As to ORW. There is not enough bandwidth to adequately describe his issues. I guess since Debbie Yow banned Mark Armstrong for “scooping” MG’s termination…..the “Sports Guys” do NOT want to ask ORW (or Mikey or MG) is THEY would have issues with a “Gender” Neutral concept for the NCAA, specifically BB. NOR what their RR or Shower scenes would be like a Gender Neutral resort. That would FOREVER ban them from even being snarled at by Mikey.

    ORW took the bait or the “schooling” and called for a REPEAL or Get Rid of HB2. OPPS….he was NOT specific enough. HB2 be GONE. HB142 is like the ever popular “Tax Simplification” legislation. My wife, a former Professional Tax Prep Whiz said that each time Congress (NCGA) SIMPLIFIED the laws, they Partners in her CPA firm called it a “Revenue Enhancing and Retirement Fund Windfall” event.

    Does NOT sound like Code Red (Pink, Blue, Black) will be hanging a “Banner” in the DES complex….with ORW’s picture and a big HB2 (with the proverbial Red/Diagonal Circle).

    The Air Horn Symphony at the Gov’s residence last night was even LOUDER. Rev BB has called it an Affront or something or other….and vows, right after his next snack, to rectify the situation.

    TOO early in the political cycle for the 2018 polls. THERE will be repercussions. I’m betting that the NCGA actually picks up MORE conservative (spelled R>E>P>U>B>L>I>C>A>N) seats. Other than Patty loosing his free boarding for 4 years….NOTHING really changed on Jones Street. Except a bunch of Gov Appointed Positions. The Gov will have MORE Vetos Overridden during his 4 years than Monica’s trists with WJC.

    Am hostage at RDU thanks to late inbound flight and trip to Vega will have later arrival time. I WILL take a poll of the folks in Vegas, the Driving School and Death Valley to see how many of them know what HB2 or HB142 is. I’m betting that the most popular answer deals with a new “Super” Stress High Potency Men’s OTC Viagra….Outta Here. Heal well. Keep following Nurse Nazi’s commands.

    • BobLee Reply
      3 weeks ago

      The only group of humans MORE dysfunctional than Repub politicians are Lib/Dem politicians. The end result of any collaboration of those two woeful entities is BEDLAM and mutually assured destruction.

      • NCSU68Grad Reply
        3 weeks ago

        Amen! That was classic 😃

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