Trainwrecks at UNCCH and MIZZOU… Am I “Alumni Zero”?

August30/ 2017

Am I Alumni Zero?… Trainwrecks at UNCCH versus MIZZOU

Two prominent state public universities have endured (are enduring) very high-profile “institutional trainwrecks” over the past five years – UNCCH of course and Univ of Missouri (i.e. MIZZOU… pronounced “Ms-Zoo”).

Yours truly matriculated at these two prominent public universities. Begging the question:

Am I “Alumni Zero”. Am I “the common factor” that infected both once-proud institutions… leading to their current plights?

Until forensic historians can complete their analysis of both institutional trainwrecks, I am a person-of-interest.

Yet another paragraph in my ever-lengthening eulogy.

…and, of course, who among us here today will ever forget that, thru the sheer dynamic of simply “being there” a few years, BobLee is credited with undermining the foundations of not one, but two, once-proud academic institutions… and, there was his classic response whenever he was approached on that subject – “aw shucks, I just seen my duty and I done it “

I appreciate that some of you reading this live inside a snow globe that only extends about 20 miles in diameter from the intersection of I-40 and Miami Boulevard. While an easily manageable universe it does limit one’s conversational perspective.

Here is a very recent article about “what happened at MIZZOU” two years ago. MIZZOU’s train wreck is, arguably, of even greater overall societal significance than “The Greatest Eligibility Scandal in NCAA History”. Not to belittle our beloved TGU.

MIZZOU’s Epic Institutional Trainwreck. – LINK

NOTE:  Apology that some of this article is behind the WSJ paywall.  But the gist of it is available.

Comparison of “trainwrecks” must begin with comparing the two institutions.

UNCCH is the quintessential “Southern Ivy”… an over-the-top, in-yo-face, bastion of everything repulsive about “a Liberal Arts UNC Old Wellinstitution”. Albeit… in a pretty setting amid lofty pine trees, dogwoods and azaleas.

It was not always so. It was not when we left our respective marks on each other multi-decades ago. It was a LibArts institution then too, of course, but had not over-developed all the repulsive aspects of being one… at the expense of developing truly admirable qualities.

Imagine a body-builder who only does 100s of bicep curls each day for thirty years. While he is proud of his huge arms… he “looks funny” and is “the source of scorn and ridicule” by all who know him.   Feel free to use that incredible analogy.   Really, it is incredibly applicable.

In its original intent in ancient Greece, a liberal arts education is a wonderful, life enhancing concept. It exposes young minds to all sorts of “just good cool stuff” learned just for the sake of knowing (and possibly one day appearing on Jeopardy). It is the ideal complement to developing marketable “make a living” skills. … But, alas, it got bastardized by pointy-headed lunatics who hated PE in Jr Hi… sigh.

One particularly repulsive aspect is that LibArts advocates ridicule all institutions not as singularly repulsive as they are… in particular those of the STEM/Agri persuasion… such as NCSU for example.

STEM schools, as a rule, rigorously prepare students to make meaningful contributions to society and reap the personal benefits of those contributions.  LibArts schools are shifting their emphasis more and more to producing constipated “mob fodder”.

MIZZOU is among a handful of institutions that COMBINE LibArts and STEM/Agri disciplines on the same campus. LibArts pinheads and redneck farmers and engineer wanna-bes occupy the same space. YIKES! Columns

Both schools have about the same % of Greek social influence.  Prior to the hostile take-over two years, MIZZOU had a more equitable gender ratio at least as involves the two primary genders.  UNCCH is, of course, becoming less and less “friendly” towards white, heterosexual males.  Where that leads should be “interesting” to follow.

Imagine putting NCSU / UNC faculty and student bodies inside the same campus bubble ??? In my 20+ years at/visiting MIZZOU I don’t recall any hostility / animosity between the various disciplines on any level.

The group that created MIZZOU’s train wreck two years ago did NOT come from the STEM/Agri faction… but rather from the LibArts side.

MIZZOU signature “school” was, for 100 years, it’s highly acclaimed J-School. It was “the first such” in America. That, alas, is now like bragging about we once made the very finest buggy whips. OUCH!

MIZZOU’s nearness (120 miles) to “Ferguson” was a definite factor in the AfAm anarchists’ successful overthrow of the administration. That and both the campus Chancellor and system Prez at the time were incredibly weak “leaders”. They “caved” in the first 24 hours.

The Missouri state legislature was as dysfunctional as all state legislatures are regardless of “majority”. When “fit hits the shan” all politicians crawl under their desks and into a fetal position… sticking their finger into the wind to see which direction it is blowing while calling their “campaign consultants” for what to do.  Meanwhile CHAOS reigns…

Missouri has a four-campus “system” versus UNC’s 17 campuses.

I attended both schools in my early 20s. Comparing the two institutions was easy on a superficial level. UNCCH was nowhere near as radical-left as it has become in just the past 15-20 years.

MIZZOU had far superior Football… UNCCH far superior Basketball. Both are in “college towns” where the school is the 500 lb gorilla that runs the economy and “Students Rule”.

I still have lifelong “friends” from UNCCH due in large part to being “back here” for 30 years. Had I opted to stay in the Midwest, my MIZZOU friends would dominate my adult Rolodex.

Does MIZZOU “cheat” in FB and MBB? ABSOLUTELY! They are now in the SEC for heaven’s sakes. Their latest MBB coach will have them in the NCAA’s crosshairs within two years max.

Their FB program under Gary Pinkel had LOTS AND LOTS of ongoing “character issues”.  LOTS!  And they had Michael Sam too. Sam was “gay” but not a thug.   Many of his teammates were very “thuggy”.   Pinkel’s discipline strategy was “hey guys, just try not to get caught. OK?” OUCH! His successor is a young assistant who has no clue.

They’ve had three ADs in the past four years. None of whom were named “Little Dickie”.


It might be argued successfully that my insatiable search for entertaining “column fodder” for this website is the root cause of countless socio-cultural trainwrecks over the past 18+ years.

Duke Lacrosse… John & Rielle… TGU… MIZZOU MESS… Obama… Trump… ESPN Embrace Debate… “Bully” Barber’s “80,000 maybe more”… “Queen Mary” Easley… “TrainWreck Fennebresque”… Young Marvin’s Tweet… TA’s knee… Roy “going Roy”… HB2… 9/11…

DAMN. That’s quite a list. Huh?

My only response would be as my eulogist’s notes…

“aw shucks… I just seen my duty and I done it.”


FWIW…. AgentPierce’s EXPOSE on Kinston’s Global TransPark continues to draw attention with over 100 Reader Comments.  It is approaching the mythical “Did Carolina Marry A Stripper” viewer #s.  LINK

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Ben in MO
Ben in MO

More and more the STEM types are gravitating to MUST (Missouri University of Science and Technology) formerly University of Missouri – Rolla. Serious STEM focus. If you get an STEM degree from either St. Louis U or Washington University in St. Louis (big bucks, both of them), a significant portion of the curriculum is provided through MUST. . Mizzou enrollment is down significantly, to the point they have closed several dorms. Don’t know about the gender balance at Mizzou, but if it is like most nowadays, it is probably primary gender F heavy. Apparently gender definitions are now like shades… Read more »


Silent Sam’s removal will solve all of the world’s problems and the snowflakes will finally be happy. Right?


The UNC-CH board of trustees is without question a disaster on every front. This board represents the worst of mindless RINO Republicans and leftist Democrats–all put in their positions by the GOP-dominated BOG appointed by the GOP legislature. Ultimately, the NC Republican General Assembly bears the responsibility for the academic farce called UNC. Somebody needs to clean house, starting with Margaret Spellings and Carol Folt. The BOG also ought to dismiss the UNC-CH trustee board and name a new board that can bring some semblance of sanity to Chapel Hill. But don’t count on Republican politicians to clean up the… Read more »


Re: TGU. An intelligent friend and UNC insider turns into a basket case in defense of UNC. When all is said and done, the final defense is “everybody does it”.

I like to make the shock comment to the defenders. There is nothing more racist than fatcats hiring thugs to entertain them while sitting in football stands. There is no greater hypocracy than UNC Board of Trustees allowing it.
“Oh, but it makes so much money for the University.”
Hence my name,


I am a little troubled by the idea that liberal arts has been bastardized by pointy headed liberals. My education was fairly broad in that I dabbled in economics before deciding I liked mathematics more. In my econ courses, I did not encounter any socialist professors, my history profs were not Marxists, my English lit profs did not analyze lit through a feminist lens. Some in the humanities were good, some were just doing enough to keep their chairperson off their backs. . The process though made me think about things enough to give me a broad perspective on current… Read more »


BL, You do get the OLD NCSU68Grad Trophy….not the new and improved. Alas, I DID encounter one professor when I took either Industrial Psychology or maybe Psychology 101 that was a bit “progressive”. He spent a week telling us that 1/16 of ALL Southeners had “Pure Afro American” blood. I THINK he used the NEGRO word, not the “N” Word that LBJ and Robert Byrd and George Wallace and Orville Faubus (the list is LONG and DISTINGUISHED) used…note THEIR party affiliation. . I dropped that little piece of info at a family gathering and was threatened with being disowned. NOW… Read more »

Bob Kennel
Bob Kennel

Easy comment material. Clearly AP is the common disruptive denominator because ultimately both messes are political in nature rather than academic or athletic.
Congratulations on the expected twin girls. I can see you as a PROUD GRANDPA, but not AP.
I’m still sticking with NC State as knowing it’s STEM importance and adding Liberal Arts as a complement.
Really good column with a good reminder of your creative genius, misguided as it may be at times????


Sadly, UNC has supposedly been under the control of the Republican legislature for the past seven years—and during this time the school has become even more leftwing and radical. Sad commentary on the NC GOP.

The Expatriate

Take this to heart:

Two old guys are strutting on a park bench.
First one asks, “Did I show you the new pictures of my grandchildren??
Second replies, “No, and I certainly do appreciate it.”


WOW, I THOUGHT that I had caused the Mizou mess. I drove by the UM and UK campuses (on I-70) and said disparaging words about the Missouri idiots and the Kansas (Dean’s alma mater) folks. Sure glad it were YOU that caused the TGU-II in the midwest. Trick of the day….if you routinely clean out your cookies, then the WSJ paywall (and the N&O) will keep letting you in. Google Chrome (and IE and Foxfire and Edge) are easy to do. It also cleans out a bunch of clutter. I had read the WSJ article and chuckled at how the… Read more »