Frau Yow’s Gamble Not Unprecedented

Kevin Keatts
BobLee
March22/ 2017

Frau Yow’s Gamble NOT Unprecedented

NC State AD Debbie “Frau” Yow’s gamble with a relatively unknown Head Basketball Coach a/k/a “The UNC-W Guy” is far from Keatts Hireunprecedented. In fact, one could almost say it copies a most successful strategy even among Triangle-area programs.

As was noted in a reply to a reader comment in the previous column, there has always been an anti-Yow faction of indeterminant size within the Wolfpack fan base. Whatever the genus of that animosity, it exists. If AD Yow “zigs” her detractors immediately declare that she shoulda “zagged” or vice versa. Is it the “she’s a woman” thing or a “Gary Williams said” thing or…. ????

NOTE: Major college Athletics Directors share an inexorable fate wSisyphusth Sisyphus of Greek mythology …. Doomed to push a large boulder up a steep mountain but never able to reach the top. No matter how many Ws or how many championships, it is never enough to satisfy the ravenous appetite of a totally unforgiving constituency…. Each one of whom is convinced HE could do a much better job if only given the opportunity since he is THE Most Loyal Fan in all of Wolfpack Land…. And blessed with 20/20 hindsight.

This is not to say that AD Yow has won any championships “that matter” (FB / MBB) during her reign as she has not. Irregular upsets over hated rivals is the closest Wolfpack teams have managed. Her critics likely blame her for the infamous missed chip shot at Clemson. That said …..

Choosing the potential of a coach with only three years of HC experience rather than a more seasoned veteran head coach is, as noted above, a strategy that seems to have worked well for Duke (M Krzyzewski)…. UNC (D Smith) …. Kansas (R. Willams) …. And, of course even at NCSU with a quippy Eye-talian fellow from Iona in the early 80s. To be fair, it has also likely not panned out in certain cases too.

Critics can find elements with each case that make the choice of Coach Keatts “different” but lets leave such naysayers to wallow in their own bile.

Herb SendakI will pose a question or two about Coach Keatts’ resume. He is a protégé of Rick Pitino (as was “Herb” for those with selective memories). Hop in the WayBack Machine back to late January and ask NC State fans what they think of “Slick Rick” and the opinions would have have been uncomplimentary. Pitino’s HoF resume is tainted with assorted scandals most recently Ho-gate…. Providing “skanky gals” for recruits. Coach Keatts was on the Louisville staff when that allegedly occurred. Did AD Yow ask Coach Keatts about that and his awareness of it? I certainly don’t know.

Will Coach Keatts hire a staff of over-eager recruiters who will “do whatever it takes” to bring in difference-makers as quickly as possible? Did he and AD Yow discuss the limits of that “whatever it takes”? Again, I certainly don’t know.Rick Pitino

Coah Keatts being a Pitino protégé ??? Is that totally a positive? Is Pitino now a “good guy” because it suits a purpose? If he wins with the regularity of Pitino will the end justify the means. I’m sure we all know the answer to that one be it State or anywhere else… of course it does.

That Lane Kiffin line about “angels don’t play football so we don’t recruit angels” applies equally to big time college basketball.

Coach Keatts says he will coach a hurry-up high-scoring offense and intense defense. What did that other Pitino protégé “Herb” promise NC State fans?…. What did Herb’s teams deliver? When UVa hired Tony Bennett did he tell Cavalier fans he would coach a deliberate drain the shot clock offense? I doubt it. What new Power 5 FB coach in the past five years has promised “3 yards & a cloud of dust”? ….. You tell desperate fans what they are desperate to hear.

From what little I’ve read on Coach Keatts’ background, he offers a number of positives for Pack loyalists to be excited about. Certainly, as much at this point as Krzyzewski did at Duke, Roy did at Kansas and a young Jimmy V at NC State. …. TIME will tell.

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BobLee
  • @CarolineduRosso Reply
    2 months ago

    No way State is getting a big-time, established coach. Who wants to ruin their reputation going up against Duke and Carolina? What we need (full disclosure, NCSU ’81) is a young, hungry, energetic guy with nothing to lose. Ol’ Roy and Coach K are getting old…very old for this profession. Krzyzewski might, I say MIGHT have three years left in him, but I doubt it. Wouldn’t be surprised if he hung it up tomorrow. And daggumit Roy ain’t far behind. For State a diamond in the rough with a few years of seasoning would be well positioned to hit the ground running and take the joint over when these two dinosaurs finally hit the links.
    From the Pack perspective this is all very galling. Everett Case invented Tobacco Road basketball. Through politics and double-dealing we have been cheated out of our legacy. We have lost for so long we now have a culture of losing. That needs to change.

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      My point is/was that K, V, and Roy were not “established big time coaches” when they were hired by Duke / State / KU either so circumstances could work to State’s advantage in 3-5 years. “Cheated out of your legacy” sounds like something to grind your teeth about every night as a sound sleep evades you. Whatever forces conspired to take V down, he made it easy for them to do so.

      • @CarolineduRosso Reply
        2 months ago

        Whatever our sins at NCSU, they pale in comparison to some. But you’re right, in the long run we have only ourselves to blame. The fact is if Carolina and/or Duke sucked, I’d prefer they didn’t. Who wants to play Matt Doherty’s Carolina?
        So be honest Bob, somewhere deep down you miss Norm Sloan.

        • BobLee Reply
          2 months ago

          I grew up with a vey competitive “Big Four” so I have no problem with all four schools being “capable”. Had The Jimmy V Scandal never happened I figure he would have left for the bright lights of the NBA within another 2-3 years anyway. Duke struck gold with K … and Wake suffered the death of Skip Prosser. S*** Happens.

  • Down East Heel Reply
    2 months ago

    Did State marry a stripper?

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      Way too early to tell. According to Bre’r Kennel, he is a virgin as pure as the wind-driven snow.

  • Doug Reply
    2 months ago

    Hope it works out for the puppies. After all I heard this morning from the wife that today is national puppy day. BM’s don’t seem to understand that they need hated rivals to be strong and competitive.

    Miscellaneous stuff. Somehow the Duke NCAA loss has been attributed to HB2 but not UNC’s win in SC. There will be no asterisk next to the win or loss.

    I’ve never understood the rationale of insisting upon incestual coaching hires by some schools. Seems to be a popular notion at UNC. Somewhere Frank McGuire and DES are scratching their heads.

    FWIW, Jim Boeheim’s Greensboro rant was not that far off base. Time will likely prove this.

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      Greensboro adding a new Bojangles as amped up its overall “Cool PLace To Host a Tournament” score. HB2 is the latest cause for diminishing of the polar bear herd and Colin Kaepernick’s sperm count.

  • OldWuf Vet Reply
    2 months ago

    BL, Hope the eye improves. I’m fine with the Coach K2 hire. In the end, its always a crap shoot. As mentioned previously, other factors are probably as important as coaching ability. The Pitino connection mad me cringe, partly because of the sleaze factor and because I distinctly remember the connection being touted when we hired ol’Herbie.
    BTW, We attended a good friend’s kid’s wedding in CH this past Saturday. Both UNC grads. Told my wife it was the first pagan wedding I had attended. Not a preacher, prayer, song or scripture in sight or earshot. Scrubbed completely of any sacred reference. Just a hipster dude officiating. A nod towards nature worship. But they’re hitched and a good time was had by all. I did silently offer up a good Baptist prayer for them. Its a new world

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      Nothing should surprise you “over yonder”. It be it’s own universe.

  • Myowngrandpaw Reply
    2 months ago

    I am just glad NCSU did not offer the balance of the Wolfpack Club bank account. Until colleges come to their senses and realize college athletics is not about Shrine building but entertainment for lasting memories of the actual students at the university. I hate the 80’s where “bigger is better” and “build it, they will come” attitude. AND ESPN. Gate revenue is now an afterthought. A mere pittence.

    I wish NC State would blackout all home athletic events. No commercial breaks. No more 5hour football games.

    Ok. Let me go back to sleep and watch Stan Fritz run thru the line to score with a broken arm. Great Holtz line ” Stan Fritz will play. The only thing Stan Fritz wont be able to do is clap for himself after scoring a touchdown”

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      Joel Berry’s goal line plunge vs Arkansas was Fritts-esque. 🙂

      • myowngrandpaw Reply
        2 months ago

        My apologies to “Fritz”. Thanks for the spelling correction!
        First cup of coffee!

        Your EYE is obviously better!

    • NCSU68Grad Reply
      2 months ago

      The Wolf Pack Club, unlike the UNC Rams Club, does not pay any coaching stipends. All WPC donations are for scholarships and facilities. This was a change dictated by the UNC BOG circa 1990 when NCAA said LOIC for players selling sneaks and tickets.

      • myowngrandpaw Reply
        2 months ago

        Where does NCSU get the money now to pay coaches?
        I believe Amato got a salary of $160,00 from NC State. Where did the other money come from? Radio and TV shows?

        I hope it is the faculty fund! They love to complain about athletic salaries.

        I would love for the faculty to adhere to the hours an athletic coach of a major sport at a major university has to keep!

        Despite what you think or thought of Amato, he worked 7 days a week!

        Les Robinson used to get his haircuts from ManMur because Turnipseed would open between 5-5:30 AM.

        Never saw many professors in there that early.

        • NCSU68Grad Reply
          2 months ago

          Since the NCSU Student Union is offering “White Privilege Understanding” sessions, I would defund that. One said the sessions was his SECOND Amendment RIGHT. How about defunding Prof that taught that?

          Serious response to maybe a tongue in cheek quip….

          Athletic Department is like NC State Government. Totally stand alone, but NO Deficits.

          Ticket revenue; Radio/TV revenue; ACC cut from NCAA tournament; Adidas Contact; Student Activity Fees; Occasional big donors $$.

          WPC $$ for bricks & mortar & Scholarships. NO coaching payments.

          UNC Coaches $$ are from Athletic department; radio/TV contract; Rams Club Stipends; Clothing/shoe contract. All agent negotiated.

          UNC BOG said that WPC Stipends to Valvano was root cause of his PROBLEMS. WPC charter amended. No $$ to Coaches. Edict did not include UNC or Rams Club.

          Google NCAA AD Reports for NCSU & UNC. 50 PAGE form. Interesting. Then Google Fedora or ORW salary. Many sites have amounts by category.

          You heard it here FIRST.

          ORW wants one more RING. Then he resigns and buys mountain in NC. Caitlin Jenner will mentor ORW through his “Transformation”. New name already picked out. Loretta Williams in honor of Loretta Lynch. OBummer and Deep State will award a Freedom Medal. Roy (Ray) Cooper will issue EO to create the LGBTQX Tarheel of the Century award. Rev BB will do invocation to crowd of 1,000,000 stuffed in Dean Dome.

  • Gary.In.Asheville Reply
    2 months ago

    BL, do you believe the report that Sean Miller is in line to follow Ol Roy?

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      Well by golly it was “on the Internet” so it must be true…. right? No, I do not believe there is any credence to that at all. I want the Dean Dome Faithful to keep thinking Roy’s successor will either be George Karl or Larry Brown… bwahahaha!
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      I do believe IF Bubba is still UNC AD when that time comes he will definitely consider non-family members on his short list. Sean Miller could be on such a list. For sure UNC Loonies will be every bit as nutty if not more so than NCSU loonies have been in their recent search.

      • Dr Wire Reply
        2 months ago

        Pardon me for getting ahead of a rumor

        Seems like unX reported pay to ORW is well below Miller’s market value. We all have seen they have deep pockets and are great at hiding the truth so betting they will have the money to hire anyone that will contine the “Smith legacy”

        • BobLee Reply
          2 months ago

          I GUARANTEE you that the “short list” of the average Dean Dome mouth-breathing goober is NOT the same as Bubba’s “short list”.

          • Former96Heel
            2 months ago

            I am stockpiling Orville Redenbacher in preparation for the day ORW is finally deemed incompetent to kneel and nearly faint on the sideline. The only thing missing is Prince Tassel Loafer to completely mismanage the circus. Boy, it will have many a Walmart Tar Heel fans drawing dashed lines to Pat Riley (Kupchak and Worthy make him an honorary baby blue, right?)

            When the company I work for needs to hire a CEO at some point, I hope they hire based on the person being best able to run the company, not on someone being the most loyal to some fictional ideal their mentor created or perpetuated. Schools do not seem to learn. Hopefully Bubba, not being from this mess, can stand up to the pressure to hire the best out there.

            Actually, one thing is missing at UNC Bball that you see in major FB programs…the coach putting his son in line to be the successor. I don’t think Roy has any boys, so we dodged that Holtz and Spurrier bullet.

          • BobLee
            2 months ago

            If God has a sense of humor, and I believe He does, He will have Roy and K retire simultaneously and the resultant CHAOS in BoardMonkeyWorld will be Apocalyptic in scope. Hubert Davis will be the automatic first name banded about by the Nitwittery followed by King Rice, Jarrod Hasse and, of course, Larry Brown and George Karl just because. Much is dependent of course on the status of TGU at that time. … 8 miles to the East it will be Chris Collins followed by 5-6 pick’ems. …. My dream of seeing Roy frogmarched out of the DD in leg irons with a Peter Millar sweater vest over his head is probably asking too much, but one can hope. …. I see Bubba gone to ND as AD within 2 years so its getting close.

  • NCSU68Grad Reply
    2 months ago

    BL,
    First and FOREMOST. Glad you are able to read (or is Blondie your AudioBook and also stay abreast and write?) Your take on AD Yow was more “fair and balanced”, as well as positive (without death threats) to the “Archie and Gregg” gang that stormed the local BM’s. It was like an uncontrolled virus. WHAT….we are NOT going to give Greggie and his “Almost Ejected Potty Mouthed Wife” a cool $5 Million? WHAT….we are not changing the name of the institution to Miller University at Raleigh NC… MURNC?
    One person reported, with credibility, that Our Big DONOR (Mr. Hog Farmer to youse guys) was seen on numerous occasions with Coach KK (K2 to the novices) in Wilmington many times. Mr. HF was also chatting with a fellow Uber Pooler in NYC (times are TOUGH and rides are scarce). Mr. HF’s opinion of Gregg was Pretty Expensive Young Man….when asked who HE thought might be a candidate…”That nice young man, Kevin Keatts, from UNCW seems like a good coach to talk to. Mr HG is always a gentleman and does NOT flout his wealth or his generosity. There are THOSE that think that he and a few other will make some donations to the Athletic Department. NOTE, they can NOT donate to the WPC for buying out MG as the WPC’s charter (dictated in 1990 by the UNC-BG and the NCSU BOT) forbids that. Something about LOIC and Personal Fouls….surf and watch Survive and Advance….
    Word on the street from the Chief VCU “BM Site Owner” is that Wee Willie Wade’s players are not distraught and filling out transfer forms. Something about room checks where the thermostats were checked to see if they were in the prescribed range of the “Team Guidelines”. Even MIKEY is NOT that anal.

    6 years DOES seem to be standard now (Inflation….Don’tChaKnow?) and salaries are going up faster than the Trump Stock Market.

    NOTE to Brer Kennel….IF your portfolio has increased significantly since November 8, please sell immediately and donate the profits (Post 11/8/16) to NCSU. Choose any area….your call. BUY more Reynolds Tiles. That way, the university benefits from the Trump Stock Market and you do NOT have to feel BAD about how to spend the Illgotten Gain from a Stolen Election. Tell your friends to do so always. BUT, don’t give it to Rev BB.

    Hope things are going well with your recovery. Prayers for you. I have developed a bit of Vitreous Detachment (Age….NAH) and when the lights started to streak and the floaters multiplied, I QUICKLY zipped off to my Othalmalogist for a diagnosis….and am stable. I did think of you and want to thank you for your comments and openness….it pushed me to get medical attention and for that, I am totally grateful. Keep on clicking….within the limits that Nurse Blondie sets…

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      I’ve punched out these last two all by myself. Slower going than before but time is something I have lots of. Another month before the vision stabilizes in the operated eye.

  • BobLee Reply
    2 months ago

    I forgot to mention this …. re: Joel Berry’s impression of Larry Csonka doing an off-tackle dive play in the final minute of the Arkansas game. There were soooo many fouls on that one play the refs simply swllowed their whistles. Can you imagine the SCREAMS from Chapel Hill if that had been an Arkansas player in that critical situation ???? Yeeeeee HAA!
    .
    Speaking of Obnoxious NCAA commercials, my vote goes for the clown doing the lounge lizard karaoke thingy for ATT / Direct TV. I’d rather see Flo with Progressive Insurance getting a colonoscopy than that obnoxious jackass.
    .
    There are only six commercials for the whole tournament and they keep repeating them ad nauseum.

  • Terry,K Reply
    2 months ago

    Unless I read this upside down and backwards, you are praising AD Yow for her choice, right?

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      Absolutely. I see it as much wiser than the Sidney or Gottfried choices for the reasons noted. There are spme concerns to watch for but there always will be. If you are saying that because of Kennel’s retort, don’t. BK sees himself as a modern day Leonidas at Thermopalyae defending his beloved alma mater against imaginary Xerxes’ Persians. Walk down Franklin Street swinging a dead cat and you’ll hit 30+ Carolina Kennels with their exaggerated arrogance. They’re all quite harmless.

  • MaHa Reply
    2 months ago

    Did I read that he went to Ferrum ,left without a degree and then didn’t get one until years later from Marshall? Sounds a little Sidneyesque don’t you think? MAHA.

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      I have not read / heard that. Kennel, of course, has already proclaimed Mr Keatts as a modern day Moses found by Pharoah’s daughter (Yow) floating in the bull rushes. Any hint of impropriety will suffer the full Kennelian wrath. BE Warned!

  • Robert Kennel Reply
    2 months ago

    BL, Keatts is 44 years old and not as wet behind the ears as your column suggests. As I’ve said earlier, was not worried about selection because of a very wise and mature administrative ” Institutional Control” at NC State and was not disappointed. When people ask me what I think of the selection, my answer is a mature coach with great growth potential and no NCAA impediments in sight. Happy alumnus 😎

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      I’m sure he is God’s Gift to Coaching as are all NCSU coaches… in your opinion.

  • Former96Heel Reply
    2 months ago

    Fan expectations doom whomever coaches State’s men. As they will Roy and K’s and Jim B and Rick P’s successors. Conference expansion more or less guaranteed it. Winning in an 8-9 team league against stiff comp was the mark of a HOF coach. Today, winning consistently in the league, much less reaching the fanbase expectations of nets around the necks every year or two, will be virtually impossible for the teams in the mushy middle or way down the charts.
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    A confluence of events has to happen for UNC-W guy to have long-term success. 1st is school patience. State did give Herb 10 years, so maybe he will get that, but he also has to work through an inevitable AD change when Frau retires.
    2nd, he has to wade through the wake of the ACC’s HOF coaches moving on. Syracuse is first, then who knows, but time doesn’t freeze for anything, except Coach K’s hair. His back is another story.
    3rd, as you note, State will have to be fine with either some rule bending to get the 5 stars or more patience to have the team of 4yr leaders like you note from the smaller schools having success. Will this work against multiple factories of NBA minor league teams in the ACC?
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    Only time will tell. I certainly do not envy any of the major coaches in a Big 5 conference.

    • BobLee Reply
      2 months ago

      Patience is in short supply with today’s fan bases …. more so than ever.

      • DrVinnyboombatz Reply
        2 months ago

        Although Keatts was only a D1 Head Coach for 3 years, he has quite a bit of other positive coaching experience. I believe the X-factor of all of his coaching stops that may serve NC State best is his time at Hargrave. This was a post graduate high school program where he had to reconstruct his entire roster each year. If he ever gets State to the position that they can attract One and DONE talent each year like Kentucky, then he already knows how to develop players quickly. If that never occurs, he knows how to develop long-term like he did at Wilmington. He is more of an upgrade over Coach Gottfried than Gott was over Sidney. The fact that this is the job he wanted and was not taking it simply to continue climbing is huge for NC State. At age 44, he has enough time to build a very strong program.

        • BobLee Reply
          2 months ago

          All of that PLUS possible TGU penalties at UNC and the looming retirements of RW and K could all work in NCSU’s favor.

          • DrVinnyboombatz
            2 months ago

            Thank you for mentioning that part about TGU and retirements. I was only posting about Coach Keatt’s coaching abilities improving NC State. I did not have time to go into opposing programs in the ACC changing coaches due to retirements. I do agree that will help not only State but all other ACC programs with younger quality coaches in the not too distant future.

          • BobLee
            2 months ago

            Assuming Roy and K retire within the same 2-3 year span, that will be a MAJOR seismic event for ACCC BB regardless of their successors.No dynasty EVER lasts forever in sports, politics, et al.

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