Crime & Punishment ???

Criminal Justice
BobLee
February08/ 2016

A BobLeeSays ….. WhaddaYouThink ???

We’re trying something new here.   Your chance to SOUND OFF on an issue.

In the wake of last week’s Louisville’s Self-Punishment for Ho-Gate, the question arises AGAIN of what is a proper punishment to fit a crime as regards “cheating” in Big Time College Sports….

“If you were in charge…. based on your level of intellectual acuity”

What Should/Could The NCAA Do Relative To Crime / Punishment.

Crime Punishment

RULE #1:  As much as there may still be a few reclusive Chinese somewhere in a remote province who need to see the word “UNCheats” 10,000 more times lets NOT get stuck in that rut today.  I do appreciate that battle cry is “oxygen” for many of you. … The scope of TGU is, as oft-noted, unprecedented in duration and malevolence.  Whatever and whenever a “final ruling” comes down, it will only throw more jet fuel on the discussion regardless of the severity or lack of….

Lets talk about more typical crap today…. as if $10,000 worth of skanks is “typical”.

Ol’ Roy, in typical O’ Roy style, did a long-winded sympathetic defense of “poor poor Rick…. I feel his pain blah blah …. having to tell his youngsters blah blah”.  Not a word about THEY FRICKIN’ CHEATED.

If “penalizing kids who were not around then” is, agreed, “not fair”…. and with drawn-out investigations over several years that will ALWAYS be a factor…. what IS “fair” punishment to fit such “illegal recruiting…. and benefits” crimes?

Some choices are:

  • Post-season bans
  • Fire Coach…. & Suspend him from any other NCAA gig for “X” years
  • Fine Coach “X” % of salary
  • Limit Scholarships for “X” years
  • Fine school “X” millions
  • …. combinations of the above.
  • Or something else ????Braveheart

Let’s stop short of a Braveheart-style “drawn & quartered” UNLESS, of course, it involves “a hated rival”.

 

Your Thoughts ???

Yes… I will cross-examine your suggestions.  So think them thru before commenting.

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fayettewuf

Great question. I listened to Dickie V expound on the self imposed sanctions at Louisville. He thought the administration had given in to public outrage. He claimed that Rick had taken and passed a lie detector about his knowledge of the hooker/recruiters. My reaction is that it does not matter. From the administration’s standpoint, his hires had drug the reputation of the university through the slime. Dickie was outraged that the kids on the team would suffer. I am not quite as worried about kids who signed with UL because of outlaw recruiting as Dickie V apparently is. But he… Read more »

Wolfdon
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Wolfdon

How about multiple years of allowing a school to use only walk-ones from the student body to form a team(s). The only way the coach could leave would be to retire from coaching.

PatK
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PatK

BL, I get the same reaction you have about fining the school when I hear of some miscreant bureaucrat in the IRS or EPA abusing the federal gov’t and the “settlement” in the millions. The bottom line is, until you punish PEOPLE the behavior will continue because someone else is paying the fines. In both cases, the miscreants need to be fired and sanctions on the teams results be imposed. For the teams coaches should have long-term sanctions against coaching in the NCAA. Let them go coach in Belarus as penance. For the gov’t fire/fine the individual and remove a… Read more »

Erv
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Erv

Many of your readers may not know that none other that the head honcho, Mark Emmert himself, left the door open for the death. Here is his exact quote from about five years ago, as reported by the Associated Press: “If, and I say if, we have very unique circumstances where TV bans and death penalties are warranted, then I don’t think they are off the table and I would be OK with putting those in place.” Can anyone even imagine a more “very unique” set of circumstances than the decades-long scandal at UNC-CHeat? Now let’s see if Mr. Emmert… Read more »

Doug
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Doug

The NCAA has agreed to implement all of the reccomendations listed here (A) once a cavity vaccine is discovered by dentists. (B) When Exxon Mobile stops hiding that carburetor invention that gets 150 miles per gallon. (C) When Joe Biden cures cancer and Rev. Barber loses 200 lbs, or denounces McClatchey or merges with The 700 Club whichever occurs first.

Bob
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Bob

I understand why you have stopped watching college sports BobLee. If strip clubs in the athletic dorm and prostitution are considered acceptable behavior for college administrators then I have no choice except to join you. Winning without integrity, without any regard for rules or proper sportsmanship is unacceptable. I watched in amazement as Roy was not fired but given a raise and extension post Wainstein report. I guess when they start allowing golfers to kick their golf balls out of the bunkers I will stop watching the Masters and the Opens. Later BobLee.

Allen W. Smothers
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The only real penalty is to sanction coaches… Show cause penalties for 10 years and scholarship reductions for 10 years, because the coaches know that the sanctions for cheating is worth it if you win national championships, which will pad their bank accounts… but what the NCAA has to do is shame the university to its core by calling the university and its administration either ignorant fools or bold faced liars… because that’s what the coaches are!! I’m sick and damn tired of hearing the head coaches say they’re completely shocked by all the cheating going on or the criminal… Read more »

Dick Gray
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Dick Gray

UNC deserves the death penalty for any and all sports that had any connection with TGU (I love that phrase by the way). Otherwise, there will never be a case that merits the death penalty. And the lesson will be if you are going to cheat, cheat big time (beyond anything imaginable) since the rewards will most likely outweigh the penalty. If athletic teams get the death penalty, I assume the schools will handle punishment for the coaches but all coaches (head or assistant) involved should get a show cause for the length of time the death penalty is imposed… Read more »

Doug
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Doug

Unless there are institutional and administrative penalties beyond the coaches involved I really don’t see much changing. Harshly penalizing, presidents, chancellors, AD’s, etc in addition to the coaches just might improve hiring practices and dissuade some from detrimental behavior. The same chain of responsibilty should include players involved in felonious activity. Bottom line, there should be no Sgt. Schultz defense allowed whatsoever from anyone. If you don’t know, you are not competent to perform the job. I also like the idea of a red flag for a period of time to prevent coaches or players from jumping to another school… Read more »

Old MacDonald
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Old MacDonald

To state the obvious, the punishment has to be bad enough to “dis-incentivize” taking the risk of getting caught doing the cheating in question in a future cost-benefit-risk analysis. IMO, it has to be a lot more than what is currently being meted out.

TJ
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TJ

You hit most of the buttons. The only thing any administrator/coach fears is loss of exposure and loss of revenue. Not necessarily in that order. Cutting staff salaries commensurate to revenue loss seems just and effective. Scholarship reduction and post seaso bans have been tried and I do not know how effective they are. A question for you, I know the NCAA has a rules committee and an investigative arm but do conferences have similar departments? Perhaps, hitting the conference and subsequently the member schools would keep all involved more concerned with the bad apples that always appear. Loss of… Read more »

D Moore
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D Moore

BL, I am extremely leery of this whole “self-imposed sanctions” thing. It seems a school might be willing to throw a current team under the bus, in order to avoid future sanctions and the resultant impact on recruiting. I must admit I hate it for those Louisville kids that they are paying for Rick’s offenses. I think the head coach should be punished, regardless of what kind of cover (i.e., plausible deniability) he uses. That punishment should include suspension and loss of pay, and that punishment should travel with him. Beyond that, I like future scholarship restrictions. If a school… Read more »